tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post4516030632287266221..comments2023-06-25T04:10:55.573-04:00Comments on Demand EUPHORIA: What Kind Of Bed Do You Make With a Gun?Vickie@Demand_Euphoriahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17706946767924290485noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-79651219846617470352013-02-25T17:29:36.561-05:002013-02-25T17:29:36.561-05:00I agree with everything you said. I think this is...I agree with everything you said. I think this is disgusting. This teaches a child nothing and I considered it abuse from the word go. I wasn't raised like this and I don't raise my children that way. How would all of the people raging over how cool he was have felt if she would have killed herself the next day? Teenage emotions are not to be played with. This is a hard time in a childs life when they need guidance and love. Not what she got.Victorianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-82379398700655912542012-02-23T21:13:42.131-05:002012-02-23T21:13:42.131-05:00It is NOT the taking of the computer that is of is...It is NOT the taking of the computer that is of issue. I believe that the father had the right to take away the computer. In fact, the right thing would have been to take the computer away permanently, wipe it and sell or donate it. Parents should DISCIPLINE wrong behavior, not take REVENGE for it. And for all you people that think that parents have a Biblically-based right to slavish "respect," you need to read Ephesians 6:4. This man's behaviour was not in harmony with Bible principles. No one is entitled to slavish obedience in this life. Not parents, not bosses, not anyone. Our children are not our chattels, but we as parents have a stewardship to raise up good, decent men and women. There are no exceptions to the command that all follow the golden rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Jesus did not say that we should seek revenge on those who hurt us.<br /><br />Mr. Jordan has modeled terrible behavior and aired that to millions of people.brenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632674518226201828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-12030658836642772452012-02-23T20:38:14.309-05:002012-02-23T20:38:14.309-05:00Serious consequences indeed. Being the laughing-st...Serious consequences indeed. Being the laughing-stock of millions. Not getting into a good school or getting a job are serious. But I guess that is what her father MEANT to do to her.brenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632674518226201828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-37239288082713212822012-02-23T20:36:23.926-05:002012-02-23T20:36:23.926-05:00Clearly, April, you have no understanding of the d...Clearly, April, you have no understanding of the devastation Mr. Jordan has caused for his daughter. I doubt if more than a couple hundred people, at most, ever saw what Hannah posted. However, Mr. Jordan has made her the laughing stock of millions, over 28 million people at last count. Not only that, but he has told the world that she is lazy (I believe a gross exhaggeration) and generally no good or of bad character. All of this is permanently posted on Facebook and left open for millions to see. Tell me, would you HIRE a person whose own father believes is of poor character? Would you admit such a person to your school? There are thousands of employers and schools who will never give this girl a chance, and it is all because of the revenge her father took against her. <br /><br />No one seems to see the devastating harm that has been done to her. Her life is practically over at 15. I hope and pray that she gets some counseling help and she gets away from that lousy family ASAP. It is her only hope. <br /><br />Sheesh.brenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632674518226201828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-14925970058234420992012-02-23T20:26:54.505-05:002012-02-23T20:26:54.505-05:00Sooo by humiliating her in front of millions of pe...Sooo by humiliating her in front of millions of people she will learn a lesson? And by posting something on Facebook that could seriously jeopardize her future, she will learn a lesson?<br /><br />What lesson would that be? Please tell us what Hannah will learn as she is turned down for educational opportunities and employment?brenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632674518226201828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-91681666919333101152012-02-23T20:23:59.097-05:002012-02-23T20:23:59.097-05:00Sooo Hannah's whining completely justifies her...Sooo Hannah's whining completely justifies her father's lifetime humiliation of her? The teenage rant deserved her father's sabotage of her future college education and employment? <br />Posting something on the internet that is purposely designed to embarrass someone for 5-20 years is a fitting punishment for a complaint that was posted to a private forum?<br /><br />Sheesh. There is a saying that sense is not common, and your thoughts prove it true.brenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17632674518226201828noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-42854360956005746772012-02-13T12:02:28.060-05:002012-02-13T12:02:28.060-05:00The difference is she is a teenager, and teenagers...The difference is she is a teenager, and teenagers tend to be impulsive, rebellious and disrespectful. However, he is a parent and an adult who clearly was retaliating, get that? Retaliating, not parenting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-42422681750130428502012-02-13T11:59:16.819-05:002012-02-13T11:59:16.819-05:00This is a quote from Sidney Poiter in 'Guess W...This is a quote from Sidney Poiter in 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner'. It is very powerful. You parents that think children owe you because you provide for them....what is wrong with you? In this quote he is an adult and his father has just made a list of all the things he and his mother had done for him and that he owed them.<br /><br />Sidney Poiter<br />'You tell me what rights I've got or haven't got, and what I owe to you for what you've done for me. Let me tell you something. I owe you nothing! If you carried that bag a million miles, you did what you're supposed to do! Because you brought me into this world. And from that day you owed me everything you could ever do for me like I will owe my son if I ever have another.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-81114939179836461702012-02-13T09:49:32.636-05:002012-02-13T09:49:32.636-05:00"...or did he immediately start holding it ov..."...or did he immediately start holding it over her head, demanding appreciation for it?" My money's on this one.<br />Thanks for the fantastic essay!<br />[linked to you.]SAHMmy Sayshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12407856203150479946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-66228771464172024622012-02-13T07:18:11.371-05:002012-02-13T07:18:11.371-05:00Most of my friends on facebook applauded this whol...Most of my friends on facebook applauded this whole situation, marveling at the ingenuity of it. I wanted to cry for both the father and the daughter. <br /><br />I grew up in a home where the parents treated me like I was property, had no rights, required absolute obedience 100% of the time, and where, from a very young child, had to do way more than a fair share of the work around the home. <br /><br />On one hand, I am grateful that I know how to work. On the other hand, I was not taught how to rest. I also learned that I could not be real in front of my parents, that obedience and a facade of behavior was better than a relationship. I grew up afraid of my parents. And fear does not create room for a real relationship.<br /><br />I am now in my 30's and I do not have the relationship I would like to have with my parents. They still do not want to give up these ideas of absolute obedience that they believe is required from me towards them, even though I am an adult. <br /><br />My own child is now one year old and we are doing things very differently from how I was raised. I am thinking of her as someone, who even very young, deserves respect. I believe if I model that respect towards her, I will get respect back. I am treating her the way I wish I was treated growing up. I value connecting with her and letting her know how important she is to me. Mistakes are going to be allowed. Everyone, including me and the husby, will contribute to how the household is run. But I won't be requiring her to serve me. Serving someone is a choice. I will be modeling to her how to serve someone righteously every single day. In ways that I serve her right now, she is already starting to reciprocate back, by her own choice - at ONE YEAR OLD! <br /><br />I am simply loving the joy of having a real relationship with her. It is something I wish for every parent and child out there. Not everyone knows how to cultivate relationship. It takes time, wisdom, patience, mistakes, a giving up of unrighteous authority and ego, and love. Relationship is a hard territory to create, nurture, and hold on to, but it is so worth it! <3<br /><br />BlackSheepPrincess.wordpress.comThe Black Sheep Princesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11809948191471722810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-79164388224628976642012-02-13T03:21:46.558-05:002012-02-13T03:21:46.558-05:00the kid is obviously in need of structure and cons...the kid is obviously in need of structure and consequence..but kids arent born with that behavior..who has she spent 99% of her life with ? where has she learned these things? her dad!. you cant say that what she has learned from her friends over the last few years overrides the time and influence her parents have had in her current behavior..the problem is Obviously in the parenting!!! What ever he has been doing ISNT WORKING! and it will never work..that gun does less damage by far than his tone, his choice of words, his body language, and his choice of retaliation tactics... he is acting no more mature than the girl.. he is a control freak.. with power issues, and absolutely no communication skills with his daughter... she obviously has some serious issues that aren't being heard or addressed...the post was a blatant cry for the need to be heard and treated like a person not someone that isnt good enough, even for her own father.. they both would benefit from seeing a professional therapist/mediator, which btw would be the spouses job in a healthy family atmosphere..bottom line the dad lost his cool and acted violently, condescending his daughter for the world to see, and violated so many father/daughter boundaries its sad.. tell me how thats good parenting..how is that teaching by example how to handle things? tell me that his little temper tantrum is teaching his child things like love, and compassion or listening skills or anything! aren't those the lessons we are ultimately trying to instil in our kids? I dont want my kids to learn to back down to intimidation when they think thier right.. i want them to speak up and communicate (post) their thoughts and ideas.. because i dont have an ego so big to protect.. the way he did that was selfish and self fulfilling..and the whole facade of being a concerned parent was a ignorant attempt to re gain power/control over another human being.his daughter who at some point..for some reason ( i can guess why) stopped believing in her dad. I hope he gets help and counseling before any more damage is done or he has any more children!!!j9https://www.blogger.com/profile/07885816289971155952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-2715141278308833362012-02-12T23:47:11.695-05:002012-02-12T23:47:11.695-05:00@Melissa J
Yes but it's a problem when the sid...@Melissa J<br />Yes but it's a problem when the side with more power also receives more empathy, more lenience and more acceptance.<br /><br />"I think it's sad when people only choose one side of a story to empathize with."<br /><br />"The video had me on the verge of tears and not necessarily for his daughter."<br /><br />"not necessarily for his daughter" and then your outlining his emotions and reasons for the video (and not mentioning what hers for the fb post might have been or even how the video probably made her feel) clearly shows how evenly you empathize with both sides.*<br /><br />*Both sides weren't mocked and humiliated in front of millions of people by the other side (he could have taken the video down after 2000 views, 500,000...3 mill... 5mill... maybe after so many people said mean things about his daughter (on yt there were many more mean comments about his daughter than about him).<br /><br />I will admit I think there are a lot of cases where one side has claim to more of the empathy (awkward way to put it) and I find it's often the side with less power. <br /><br />She could have been scared to talk to him directly and tell him she's unhappy with something because he has the power to take something away or do something if he gets angry. He can say pretty much anything to her so there is no reason he would need to post his feelings somewhere else when he can go directly to her to talk about things. This is just one example of the difference in power in their relationship.peteshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08030269668351493729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-8654718763784668932012-02-12T16:26:41.836-05:002012-02-12T16:26:41.836-05:00“If you listen closely to the video, it is not nec...“If you listen closely to the video, it is not necessarily "her chores" that are an issue but how she feels her parents view her expected service to them.”<br /><br />This is exactly it. Expecting everyone to contribute to the family chores is perfectly acceptable and healthy. What isn’t is expecting anyone, children or not, to do them without feeling disgruntled if they are being treated like they owe you the service simply because they exist. Despite what many believe, children are not born to provide services for their parents. If it is expected that they contribute within the home, all members must contribute equally. Simply being grateful to another person for what they do within the home is enough reward, assuming it is given freely. To expect anyone to not react negatively when they are treated with such disregard by their own family lacks a basic understanding about healthy human psychology.FabulousMamaChronicleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00555022025559998636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-51591060138702957312012-02-12T14:10:30.336-05:002012-02-12T14:10:30.336-05:00Great post, I completely agree!
So many people co...Great post, I completely agree!<br /><br />So many people completely miss the issues with this. It's not simply about a whiny teenager being a brat and dad teaching her a lesson. She is a person with feelings and rights as a human being. He has feelings and rights too...however he decided that his feelings and his rights are "above" hers because she's a "little person" and like most in this world that he "owns" her because she's his "child".<br /><br />Our children do not OWE us ANYTHING! WE OWE THEM! To respect, love and care for them, not bully them and treat them like crap because we "can".<br /><br />If this was his "employee" this would be illegal, but since it's his "child" it's "ok". Just like you can't hit your wife but you can hit your kid. :/<br /><br />Teenagers are finicky things...they are often going through so many struggles and mixed emotions, hormones, life changes, growing etc. But what we often forget and don't see is that they have 14, 15, 16, 17 YEARS of pain built up, we don't know the dynamics of their relationship but we can see even in these few moments the very rocky relationship they have...people think this is just a few weeks worth of angst she vented about but no, this is YEARS of frustration, anger, sadness, etc that she "vented" about. Sure she may have been "wrong" or said hurtful things. She's still a CHILD and she's HUMAN. We all make mistakes...just like dad just did. But come on, let's think about this..WHAT exactly is he "teaching" her??? Did he actually teach her a BETTER way to respond to her frustration? um NO, worse! She vented on her PRIVATE WALL to a few friends...he vented to the whole freaking WORLD! HE a grown man, called his own DAUGHTER, rude and hurtful things. He destroyed her property. WHAT did that "teach" her? HOW did that MODEL appropriate response and reaction to her? did he teach her FORGIVENESS?? RESPECT? LOVE? KINDNESS? Responsibility? what exactly DID he "teach" her?? besides that he can be a bigger jerk?<br /><br />1If I speak in the tonguesa of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,b but have not love, I gain nothing.<br /><br />4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.<br /><br />8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.<br /><br />13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.Momofthesouthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01398289982238374823noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-78104856703799225722012-02-12T11:44:08.865-05:002012-02-12T11:44:08.865-05:00Thank you. My husband and I watched this video in ...Thank you. My husband and I watched this video in shock and horror. I wasn't able to put into words everything that bothered me about it but you did. Thank you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06819360731547594014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-32711444981327616612012-02-12T09:50:06.580-05:002012-02-12T09:50:06.580-05:00I probably do but I am okay with that. I am glad ...I probably do but I am okay with that. I am glad that I have the ability to not only empathize with my own children but with other humans, even ones I possibly don't even know. I think it's sad when people only choose one side of a story to empathize with. More often then not both sides of a story need to be understood before healing and ultimately progress can happen.Melissa Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06215149400867768443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-68094357011295097862012-02-12T03:41:27.477-05:002012-02-12T03:41:27.477-05:00Grounding a person for three months is excessive. ...Grounding a person for three months is excessive. The reality is that grounding didn't get her attention because for many of us force and coercion doesn't work. <br /><br />If you listen closely to the video, it is not necessarily "her chores" that are an issue but how she feels her parents view her expected service to them.Lisa Nielsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07759123507185453030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-64588504998805571742012-02-12T03:35:07.234-05:002012-02-12T03:35:07.234-05:00April,
The idea that children need to respect the...April, <br />The idea that children need to respect their parents is a dangerous sentiment! Age nor title do not earn respect. Actions / behavior do.Lisa Nielsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07759123507185453030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-7795512335033801722012-02-12T03:30:08.084-05:002012-02-12T03:30:08.084-05:00==She is a child, of course she handled poorly.==
...==She is a child, of course she handled poorly.==<br /><br />Why is it assumed that because she is a child she handled it poorly?<br /><br />Could it be that this child did not know where else to turn so she made a public plea for help hoping there would be someone to provide comfort and support?Lisa Nielsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07759123507185453030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-19846337472669671402012-02-12T03:12:58.093-05:002012-02-12T03:12:58.093-05:00Why does being sassy, using foul language, or grip...Why does being sassy, using foul language, or griping about chores "need correction"?<br /><br />As an adult, I occasionally see my peers being sassy, cursing, and griping about work they're assigned or expected to do. No one advocates destroying their property or committing acts of violence against them in order to "correct" this behavior.Tarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574235611152689251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-63697086845503364722012-02-12T02:44:04.547-05:002012-02-12T02:44:04.547-05:00Lola, thanks for bringing up the bit about prepari...Lola, thanks for bringing up the bit about preparing your children for real life by making them do chores. It's a great example of how parents and educators often paint a picture of "real life" that's nothing like real life.<br /><br />In real life, you can leave your bed as messy as you want. The sheets will still be as rumpled when you get home in the evening as they were when you left.<br /><br />In real life, you don't have to do the dishes if you don't want to. You can let them pile up in the sink until the stench is unbearable or until you have nothing to eat with.<br /><br />In the "real life" imagined by comments like yours, something terrible and surprising will happen if you don't make your bed, wash the dishes, etc. after moving out, and you'd better form a few habits early so it'll never happen to you.<br /><br />But in actual real life, actions have their natural consequences -- no more and no less. Skip washing the dishes, and you'll end up with a mountain of dirty dishes and no clean ones. Maybe you'll decide to wash them sooner next time, or maybe not.<br /><br />Your kids don't need to be "prepared" for situations like that. They'll encounter them within a week of moving out, and then they'll either learn on their own or live with the consequences.Tarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06574235611152689251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-53120308933439014452012-02-11T22:32:06.551-05:002012-02-11T22:32:06.551-05:00Whaaaaat?! Really? "If the chores are as easy...Whaaaaat?! Really? "If the chores are as easy as he says they should be, why not just do them himself?" For real. Why shouldn't a 15-year-old do a few chores? It's GOOD for her to have to learn how to take care of things around the house. TRUST ME!! I was the spoiled one in my family (I was sickly, and the youngest), and I wasn't made to do chores on any kind of regular basis. I flat out refused sometimes. Let me tell you, I had a HELL of a time learning to take care of my OWN house well when I moved out!! There were things I had NO idea how to do. I will DEFINITELY (try to) have my children do age-appropriate chores when they are old enough. And WHY in the world is it an "inexplicable thing to require of someone" to have them make their OWN BED? When you make your bed, your whole bedroom instantly looks neater--even if there is a pile of clothes on the floor, or dust everywhere. I'm on Informed Choice, but this is taking things WAY too far. Did the dad overreact? Yes. Do I think he's a terrible, vindictive, abusive father, based on this stupid video? No! Yes, his daughter was expressing her feelings. But was she telling the truth? I doubt it very much. I'm sure she was feeling overwhelmed, and frustrated, and mad, and overreacted, too. She was ranting, and she probably hid the post from her parents by making it visible to everyone on her list but them. You can do that on Facebook. But probably, someone who knows her parents saw it, and told them about it. The issue obviously could've been handled better. I think most people are in agreement on that. But guess what? Her father is probably just human, like the rest of us, and did the wrong thing--as did his daughter.lauraleightonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00010371194263373593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-79874893275632370042012-02-11T22:30:32.392-05:002012-02-11T22:30:32.392-05:00Parents CONTROL their children?!!! Hahahahaha!!!! ...Parents CONTROL their children?!!! Hahahahaha!!!! No parent can control their child. Only model and guide. And when people have children they HAVE to provide for their child. The child does NOT owe their parent anything for that OR for any gifts the parents decides to give the child. How ridiculous.Theresahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00514376793118060313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-35691806926728580732012-02-11T20:40:35.285-05:002012-02-11T20:40:35.285-05:00o_Oo_OJen in FLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10680050167909182743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5088188498900558941.post-68410005864970777992012-02-11T19:30:05.763-05:002012-02-11T19:30:05.763-05:00fear ≠ respectfear ≠ respectJen in FLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10680050167909182743noreply@blogger.com